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are you ready to do your duty for rome

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which was all the man is to take my

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place my pals

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will pass to maximus to hold in trust

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until the senate is ready to rule once

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rome is to be a republic again

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that's a clip from gladiator and

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although the movie is fiction

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people who really know roman history

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like today's guest

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joseph atwell will tell you that the

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movie

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is spot on when it comes to the kind of

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political manipulation mind control

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and conspiracy wielding that the romans

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had mastered

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2 000 years ago of course this movie has

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another

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side to it a very deep interpersonal

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family and

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spiritual angle to it which as we all

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know plays a much greater role in the

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rough and tumble world of world politics

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and social engineering

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i love this next piece even then it was

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as if you didn't want me for your son

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your false as a son

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is my failure as a father

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today's guest on skeptico joseph atwell

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author of caesar's messiah

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has become a real cornerstone in my

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how we should approach so many of the

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well from a skeptical perspective at

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at any rate it was so great to reconnect

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and be reminded how especially relevant

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his work

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is today yeah i i actually am quite

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um intrigued and supportive of your

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perspective on consciousness because of

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its political aspect

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and and of course given my background

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manipulated politically

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right have we been basically given an

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idea about our consciousness

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that is untrue just so that we can be

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more easily ruled

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and the idea that we are an illusion

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um is in my mind a decadent

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uh you know political position

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and it's not even worthwhile discussing

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in terms of it as spirituality because

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enormous problem that if you think of

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yourself as an illusion if you think of

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life as something that is absurd

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or meaningless then you basically

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resiliency in terms of coherent

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uh perspective welcome to skeptico where

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we explore controversial science and

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spirituality with leading researchers

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thinkers and their critics i'm your host

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alex sacaris

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and i'm going to make the case because i

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believe it to be true

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that today's guest is the most important

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biblical scholar

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in modern times and that sounds like a

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that because the bible whether we like

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it or not

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is so deeply woven into our culture our

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legal system our political system

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and our collective psyche well all of

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makes joe atwell kind of a really

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really important figure in my opinion

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i'm going to make the case in this show

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and you can judge

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for yourself now joe has been on the

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show before

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um the proposition that he makes is

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rather simple at least the way that i

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understand it and that is that the bible

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is pro-roman and the best

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and really the only non-wacky

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explanation for this provable historical

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is that the bible is part of a political

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psyop so that's a lot for people to take

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and clarify a little bit you know that

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proposition that i just laid out there

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at least to me that the bible can't be

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deeper spiritual truths that the bible

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can't be the foundation

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transmitted through that truth and it

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that we don't totally understand

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people are connecting through the bible

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spiritual experience that we talk so

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about on this show but what it does mean

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at least to me is that if the bible

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does fit this understanding that we have

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political control mechanism is what a

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psy-op is then we really have to deal

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unbelievable authority on all of that

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stuff but as we'll find out and

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hopefully explore again on this show

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he's really taken where that

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amazing discovery from gosh 15 years ago

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now since the original publication

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of the of caesar's messiah

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he's really taken that in a number of

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different directions in terms of

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what these kind of control mechanisms if

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they exist and these political psyops

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if they are running in the background

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what they might mean for us what they

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might mean for our culture

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and i'm sure you're going to see a lot

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everything we're experiencing right now

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so joseph atwell fantastic to have you

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back it's always such a great treat for

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to have a chance to talk with you so

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welcome thank you for having me

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so um i don't know

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but i will say this here's where i

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because you know whenever have whenever

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hey joseph atwell's been on the show

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background just go back and listen to a

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whenever i hear that on another show i'm

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like hey man i ain't going back and

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sometimes i will but what we ought to

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give people a sketch of who you are

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who you were before you wrote caesar's

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messiah

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who you became after you wrote caesar's

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that broad sketch of who you are yeah um

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unusual i i i grew up out of the united

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interest in the bible and and also

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reading in general because basically i

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catholic school that um you know

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stimulation that i was able to

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in it as literature um and even though i

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fell away from the

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faith uh for no particular reason i

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found other things that were more

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interesting um i always retain kind of

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the interest

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whole collection of the scrolls that

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the gospels and that led me

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as it leads everyone because there's

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strange relationship between the gospels

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and the history of this

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military campaign in judea can i

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number one what gave you the confidence

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the i don't know intellectual

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biblical scholarship chops to kind of

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dive in in that way i mean i would have

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most 90 percent of people would have

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been in total totally intimidated that's

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as you start having these inklings how

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did you even have the confidence to kind

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such radical ideas well i could just see

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that there was no coherent explanation

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analysis of shakespeare it it uh

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of you know arrogance in regards to

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existing scholarship it's just that

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the existing scholarship couldn't really

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that that was the basic kind of format

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academia i could

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care less what they thought they hadn't

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in the literature that i had read and i

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well-known names i was i was very

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interested in the

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historical basis for uh christianity and

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for jesus so i was well

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read in this area and nothing was really

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very satisfying and that was really what

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was you know to be honest that was

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really the

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uh you know you'd like what is the basis

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for my you know kind of making these

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these assertions it was

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it was just the fact that i hadn't been

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satisfied with the

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prior literature and felt i was just

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curious as to what i could just see

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it was just curiosity and so when i

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but it took quite a while it um

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it took uh several months you know of

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analysis

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to really come to the point where i

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could see that there was a deliberate

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pattern

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um i thought at first that the parallels

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were simply

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a satire that they might be aware that

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josephus was

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was mocking um you know roman

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christianity

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but then i really the the key insight

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was simply that i

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eventually saw that the relationships

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these parallels that i was

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kind of trying to understand they

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occurred in the same

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sequence and that that was really

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revolutionary um

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and i didn't you know you don't really

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need um

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uh academic uh sort of

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you know competence to uh

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to recognize a sequence because it just

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is a sequence or it isn't and since i

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could see that they were all these

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parallels occurring in the same order

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i could see that that was obviously

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deliberate

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and you know you get to your idea of it

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being a

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you know that the the gospels are a

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psyops well that was when i could see it

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because

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this was clearly um the the pattern

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in the gospels was obviously relating to

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uh the military campaign of the roman

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caesars the flavian family

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and so at that point i could you know

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crit the

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the confusion i had about the

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historicity of christianity just fell

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away i mean

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once you have as you're basically

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foundation understanding christianity

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that it was roman literature

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then you'll see that you can read

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through the gospels

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and suddenly they make perfect sense i

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mean all of the mystery about jesus

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all of the kind of puzzle passages the

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stuff that the scholars have been

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arguing about for

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2000 years it all just disappears i mean

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it just becomes very very

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straightforward

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and at the end of the uh of the story

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you you

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have uh jesus predicting this individual

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is going to be coming

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and he's going to bring all of this

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destruction and then all of these events

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are in fact

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brought to pass by the flavian caesar

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well at this point you have the identity

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of the individual that jesus

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is predicting it just becomes um

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self-evident and and so that's what

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happened to me i i

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um i really didn't set out to

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revolutionize christianity

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i just set out to uh see if i could have

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a better

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explanation for the text than the

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literature that i've been reading

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so you know what the way i always try

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and explain this to people because i

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know

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my encounter first with caesar's messiah

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and then through numerous conversations

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with you

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i was kind of i always questioned

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myself you know could this possibly be

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true you know

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you don't have to go very far to find

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joseph atwell critics

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and i think we should explore that we

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have in the past but it'll probably come

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up again

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but you know just recently i was kind of

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re-listening to and trying to come up to

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speed on some of your more

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recent interviews and i saw a great

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interview you did with robert price who

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is a very

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noted bill biblical scholar and

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someone who interestingly enough you

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know was not super

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charitable about your work kind of at

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the beginning a few years back

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but without doing a full meacopa has

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kind of come around to

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basically agreeing with the premise of

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caesar's messiah like some of these

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biblical scholars have they kind of

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don't want to really

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straight on say yeah that's probably the

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truth that needs to be the starting

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point

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truth with which we look through

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this the lens here but anyways i'm kind

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of

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digressing because as i was listening to

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that one thing that came out

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is the thing that always impressed me is

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the pro-roman

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aspect because you just said the big

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switch for you

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was looking at the bible as roman

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literature or i would take it one step

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further as

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a as a roman psyop because that's i

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think the implications of what you're

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saying

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but just as roman literature the one of

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the key

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pivot points for me was this idea that

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the bible is pro-roman so i was

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listening to you and bob price and you

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were talking about

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some of the more recent scholarship

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in addition to some of the older

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scholarship that just

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in rather obvious ways where you can

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kind of point to and say

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that's that's strangely pro-roman

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given the times given what we know about

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judea and giving

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we know you know the struggles that were

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going on and say you know give unto

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caesar what is caesar

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you know i say carry his backpack not

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one mile two miles i mean

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talk about that a little bit talk about

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the pro-roman

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part of the bible that if you're not

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trained to see it is pretty stunning

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well um just to you know

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explain the the passage you were

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describing

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uh jesus uh you know says to his

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disciples

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you know uh when asked you know to

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to to carry the pack uh you know go the

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extra mile this is a famous

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expression you know in our vernacular

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and people don't understand what it

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means

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um what he's referring to is the

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requirement

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in a occupied nation and remember at

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this point

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rome is in a prison of nations basically

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it has

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conquered all of these areas and one of

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the aspects of the colonialization

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was that a roman soldier and all roman

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soldiers

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had this power could ask

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any individual who was a member of the

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conquered nation to carry their backpack

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for one mile and this is why they have

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milestones that's what the

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expression means it refers to the

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distance that uh

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a constricted uh you know

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native would have to carry a roman

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backpack and they were heavy they

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weighed like 35 40 pounds so

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it was a big deal but jesus said no no

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don't go one mile go the extra mile

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and this would be um i mean today this

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would be like uh

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don't just wear your mask inside uh

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costco and trader joe's but

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wear it on the street you know so that

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so yeah or the the other way i think of

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it it'd be like telling

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it'd be like telling one of those antifa

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goons

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you know go shine the boots of an

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investment banker

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and i'll tell you what don't just shine

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one pair of his boots

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tell him to go to his closet shine two

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pairs of his boots it's like

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because put it in the context of you

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know the conflict

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the feeling this was this was the most

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violent century

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um in the history of uh of israel rome

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had conquered it

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uh sarah typically they

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they were able to become uh basically

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allied

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with one of the native kings the family

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of herod

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who were the roman puppets and then they

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were able to um

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uh basically slither into power one inch

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at a time

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uh and then finally they just were the

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uh authority

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um and the hasmonean kingdom was over

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and now you had this this uh

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you know the the herodian era um

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herod's were the tax collector of rome

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now

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during this period from like the year

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one through uh

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you know 135 uh ce the period during

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which you had the ministry of jesus

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purportedly

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you had just one revolution after

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another

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rome insisted upon placing

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images of the caesars inside

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the temples it was the only real

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requirement of colonialization in terms

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of religion they could

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the roman colonialists colonies could

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have any religion they wanted that rome

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could care less

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but they had to permit caesar worship

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the imperial cult was a great propaganda

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tool and

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and so it was just mandated that

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everyone had to have um

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images of caesar and uh

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herod basically was carrying out this

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edict inside

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the temple of jerusalem the religious

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jews

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saw this of course as completely in

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opposition to

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their religious fundamentals and so they

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rebelled

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and there was one after another after

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another and these weren't

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you know a couple hundred people you

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have to look at the history closely and

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see just how

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catastrophic the rebellions were to the

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roman empire

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um there were three major rebellions and

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perhaps a dozen minor one

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the the famous rebellion of uh 66

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through 73 where the temple was

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destroyed

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um in that period the uh

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the jewish revolutionaries were actually

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able to drive rome

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out of their nation and to establish a

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independent nation state right in the

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middle

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of the roman empire um so this was a

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just

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an absolute uh catastrophe for

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uh rome colonial interests and so this

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led to the

574
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:11,039
seven year war um but that wasn't the

575
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:11,520
end of it

576
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,200
and then in um in 112 115

577
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,799
you had another rebellion and this

578
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,320
rebellion there's some historical

579
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,080
documentation of but

580
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,960
in general it's been swept under the rug

581
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:24,799
but it was an absolute bloodbath

582
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,760
um the the jews were able to gain

583
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,280
military

584
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,799
control over cyprus and they

585
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,120
genocided the entire gentile population

586
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,520
supposedly a quarter million people

587
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,080
they drove rome completely out of egypt

588
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,760
for a period of time

589
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,520
and it's just incredible to think about

590
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,480
this this is rome's bread basket so

591
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,799
um rome was able eventually to get that

592
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,240
under control and then the rebellion

593
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,679
broke out again in 133

594
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,960
barcock this was the one where you ended

595
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,559
up with the diaspora they just wouldn't

596
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,320
let the jews even come into israel

597
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,080
because i felt that the geographical

598
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,760
aspect of religion was

599
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,400
part of what was formatting rebellion

600
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:05,600
but that rebellion

601
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,559
was just again it was just catastrophic

602
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:09,360
to the roman

603
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,799
emperor empire and so and again i mean i

604
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,480
think that's something that we can

605
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,360
probably relate to more in these times

606
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,400
that we're in because

607
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,080
if you read this history the way it's

608
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,520
normally presented

609
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,559
what comes through is yeah it was a pain

610
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,080
for the romans but

611
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,440
they knew they were going to win i mean

612
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,120
this is the roman empire this

613
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,880
little skirmish isn't going to really

614
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,159
mess things up

615
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,159
but put it in the context of like what

616
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:35,600
we've been seeing on tv

617
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,799
you know so the antifa folks

618
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,520
are gonna take over seattle how does

619
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:43,440
that feel to us it's like wait a minute

620
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,000
we're looking

621
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,840
they've taken over they've blocked it

622
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:47,600
off they've said you can't come in this

623
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,080
is now

624
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,880
ours we know that isn't gonna last we

625
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,080
know that eventually

626
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,960
we'll put down that rebellion but it

627
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,440
sure

628
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:58,799
is very you know disconcerting

629
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,159
uncomfortable it is a huge problem so

630
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,840
i think it's such an important point

631
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,200
that you're making about

632
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,799
these times and then really to imagine

633
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,120
like whoever was the the leader the

634
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,120
supreme leader of the antifa

635
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,799
group that has now taken over the whole

636
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,960
west coast for him to come forward and

637
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,360
say

638
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,799
yeah shine their shoes you know and uh

639
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,480
give them what's theirs and you know

640
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,000
here's how we should it

641
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,640
doesn't make any sense we just wouldn't

642
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,400
trust that we wouldn't believe that any

643
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,840
more than we believe that

644
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:32,400
jeffrey epstein hung himself while

645
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,280
guarded by

646
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,520
you know a half dozen prisoners or a

647
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,280
half dozen prison guards

648
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,400
well it's the thing we have what we

649
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,159
believe is a history

650
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:44,240
and to the extent we believe it as

651
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,440
history as

652
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,760
things that actually occurred we are

653
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:49,679
basically

654
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
being manipulated um you know as

655
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,520
as you know my my position is we really

656
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,200
can't trust any history at this point

657
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,400
there's

658
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:00,799
they were able to um manipulate us with

659
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,159
the the history of jesus christ

660
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,960
the history of so-called uh the author

661
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,559
shakespeare

662
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,200
and i think really what we have is

663
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:13,360
history we need to be skeptical about i

664
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,120
i just personally do not uh um

665
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,200
you know i i need to have different ways

666
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,400
of understanding it

667
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,360
uh than just what they tell us you know

668
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,640
because really we're

669
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,760
run by a controlled by uh you know you

670
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:28,799
mentioned the term

671
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,840
psychological operation well whoever is

672
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,720
doing that

673
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,360
has to remain secret it doesn't work if

674
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,120
everyone knows that this is

675
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:39,039
you know basically just a psychological

676
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,320
operation to

677
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,880
to influence us so they have to be

678
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,679
secret

679
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:46,159
we have to give them trust which means

680
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,720
that you're

681
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,640
dealing with people that i call lifetime

682
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,080
actors

683
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,400
they're not real the personality that

684
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,360
you're seeing is

685
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,200
is artificially created just to

686
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:56,640
manipulate us

687
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,159
the history they're giving us is um

688
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,480
basically just there to to you know

689
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:04,400
create influence in our minds

690
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,480
um and this isn't you know a um

691
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,880
very theoretical at this point i think

692
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:12,960
if you look at the whole covid

693
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,320
uh you know uh phenomena and and how we

694
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,760
responded to it how the government's

695
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,679
responded i think this is

696
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,159
is obviously very well organized it's

697
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,679
very artificial

698
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,720
the response and it's taking us to a to

699
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,320
a place um

700
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:31,039
that we are not being told about you

701
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,240
know they're they're going to

702
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,880
in my opinion they're going to uh uh

703
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:37,440
basically wreck the economy this is done

704
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,880
to create poverty um and

705
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,960
from there they're able to implement a

706
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,080
much more

707
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,279
uh locked down kind of slave state

708
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:50,240
um i do hear what you're saying about

709
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,360
the covet thing

710
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:53,919
yeah i'm reluctant to go there i want

711
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,120
some more time to pass uh

712
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,919
you know i i think sometimes looking at

713
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,200
these

714
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:03,440
major major what that would be you know

715
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,240
a major

716
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,039
cultural operation cultural psyop is

717
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,080
best

718
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,720
examined through a longer lens and in a

719
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,080
minute

720
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,960
one thing that we can one one such

721
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,159
example that i think

722
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,360
really brings light to this is the work

723
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,440
that you've done on gloria steinem and

724
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,840
it's something else that i bring up

725
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,520
quite frequently on this show because i

726
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,520
think it really highlights

727
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,080
how our modern history is being

728
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,200
manipulated

729
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,640
spun in different ways and how these

730
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,279
lifetime actors as you described it are

731
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:38,400
really shaping the thing

732
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,919
particularly because gloria steinem is

733
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,760
in the news and there's these new

734
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,039
netflix streaming

735
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,200
specials on it she's never really come

736
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:48,960
clean about all the just

737
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,840
facts the facts that we could look up

738
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,440
and we'll talk about

739
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,080
on this show so i guess we could go to

740
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:57,440
gloria steinem

741
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,600
next or i'm almost tempted to put off

742
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:03,840
gloria steinem because

743
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,960
again one of my one of my frustrations

744
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,000
or one of my

745
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:11,360
needs in this work this book i'm working

746
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:11,679
on

747
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:15,760
why evil matters is to really

748
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:18,840
flesh out the christian

749
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:21,919
perspective because i don't

750
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,520
think christians well-meaning

751
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,559
honest respectable christians

752
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,880
understand the extent to which they're

753
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,559
complicit

754
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,799
in a lot of this stuff that's going on

755
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,279
and i'd say particularly complicit

756
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,640
in our understanding and inability to

757
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,600
deal with evil

758
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,159
and the way i think they are complicit

759
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,760
relates directly to

760
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,520
what we're just talking about because i

761
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,520
think if you're not willing to

762
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,399
thoroughly dive in and say oh my gosh is

763
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:54,960
he right could he possibly be bright

764
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,080
is what really drove the formation of

765
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,600
this

766
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,720
religion cult was it really

767
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,960
a political psyop like all these other

768
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,640
political sciops i know about was it

769
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,320
really about controlling people

770
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,320
was it really about hey this might just

771
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,760
be a better way to

772
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,600
get a handle on these jews that are

773
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,360
driving us nuts over there

774
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,240
could that possibly be true and that's

775
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,120
what i think

776
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,000
is so so important about what you're

777
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:23,279
talking about here

778
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,880
beyond the kind of atheistic

779
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,120
conspiratorial

780
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,039
you know oh you know screw those

781
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,399
christians they don't know what's going

782
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:32,399
on there is no god into that i mean i'm

783
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:32,720
not

784
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,399
don't think that's the place to go

785
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:39,440
i'm just saying from my point of view

786
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,080
you know in

787
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,919
why evil matters i don't think

788
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,600
christians understand

789
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,840
how they have become complicit because

790
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,080
they don't understand the psyop

791
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,559
do you have any thoughts on that well

792
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:51,760
just that it's true

793
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,200
um if you don't understand kind of the

794
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,559
you know the origin of the uh

795
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,799
cult and i think that's the correct

796
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,600
phrase that that you're involved with

797
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,559
and you don't understand the the purpose

798
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,480
for the rulers

799
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,360
um basically you cannot avoid being

800
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:12,960
complicit

801
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,320
in evil because it starts out with um

802
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,520
secrecy i mean you don't need secrecy

803
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,960
if if there is uh you know not evil

804
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,000
afoot

805
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,120
and so since christianity is

806
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:29,520
ruled through secrecy and comes from

807
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,240
secrecy

808
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,399
then you know you know there is there is

809
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,919
purposes for it

810
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,640
uh which had to be kept secret so you

811
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,760
are complicit

812
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:40,640
and and you really should um i think if

813
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,200
you're

814
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,320
honest with yourself try to uh

815
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,760
see if there is some way of

816
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,840
understanding the origin of the religion

817
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:51,200
um because here here's the thing i guess

818
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,600
that

819
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,840
you know i hammer on this from a couple

820
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,520
angles and people don't like either one

821
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,120
but we'll try it again

822
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:59,360
if if someone was to really do a deep

823
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,559
dive into

824
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,880
the christian pedo thing and the

825
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,080
pedopope thing

826
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,440
and they were to come out on the other

827
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,120
side and say wow you know

828
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,120
overwhelming evidence that at the

829
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,559
highest level

830
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,200
that institution has been compromised to

831
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,799
the extent that

832
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,120
the burden of proof is on them to show

833
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,399
that there isn't a

834
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,200
systematic abuse of children going on

835
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,640
from the highest down to the lowest

836
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,840
levels of that organization

837
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,360
if someone was to come to that

838
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:26,960
conclusion which i think

839
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,840
a reasonable person could then what do

840
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,600
you do on sunday when you go into the

841
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,720
catholic church and they

842
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,960
pass the plate around well you do what

843
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,000
you've always done is

844
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,000
you throw a few bucks in there or you

845
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,600
throw in your little envelope that says

846
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,320
i gave at the office or whatever it is

847
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:45,200
but now your complicity really becomes

848
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,080
clear

849
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,039
you've put money in the plate and you

850
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,240
know now

851
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,559
where some of that money is going and

852
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:53,679
that kind of hits us

853
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,880
at another level but that is still

854
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,360
that's not the conversation we're having

855
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,720
the conversation we're having even among

856
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,320
you know christians who are struggling

857
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,159
with their religion is

858
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:09,200
more along the lines of kind of the

859
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,399
apologetics

860
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,559
which is how they'll come at you know

861
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,840
your work and say well

862
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,600
you know well what about this and

863
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,200
they'll quote this scripture or this

864
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,000
scholar

865
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,799
and again i i just want to emphasize

866
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,480
that to me

867
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,159
they've kind of missed the point i mean

868
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,840
the first point is

869
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,559
all that is important and can be hashed

870
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,159
out you know and what this

871
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,399
guy said when and who wrote this back

872
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,919
then and what this

873
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,200
verse contradicts with all that is

874
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,880
secondary to the basic premise that

875
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,080
it's roman literature it's pro-roman it

876
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,919
doesn't make any sense at the highest

877
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,559
level

878
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,080
that this document this

879
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,159
this writing would come out and would

880
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,000
wind up being pro-roman

881
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,679
deal with that first well

882
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:00,640
particularly now that uh you know the uh

883
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:00,960
this

884
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:05,279
relationship which incidentally was

885
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,880
was created to be understood um

886
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,840
uh now that that's sort of in existence

887
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,519
people really should actually

888
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,679
take a pass at it and just see what they

889
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:17,440
you know what they can make of it

890
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,120
um the the quality of the evidence

891
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,640
in caesar's messiah is completely

892
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,399
different than in other

893
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,960
sort of historical kind of attempts to

894
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,120
understand christianity because

895
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:32,399
what it does is it just takes two texts

896
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:35,840
and lays them side by side and then just

897
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,559
says look

898
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:39,039
uh here are these relationships which

899
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,080
any normal

900
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,360
person can see are uh completely

901
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,080
you know uh linked they are one in fact

902
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,159
in many cases it's the exact same

903
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,159
event you know that jesus is simply

904
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:52,480
predicting something that comes about

905
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,000
now the overall sequence of the entire

906
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,919
ministry the adult ministry of jesus is

907
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,279
made up of these

908
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,320
linked events basically and therefore

909
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,600
it's deliberate and once that is

910
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,240
understood

911
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,720
then it's it's there's really no way to

912
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,760
uh

913
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,840
explain it other than the fact that this

914
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,840
was produced by rome

915
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,080
and that their rome had a purpose

916
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,679
everything is self-evident from that

917
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,279
point on alex i mean you don't really

918
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,480
need to do

919
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,440
kind of complicated analysis to to

920
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,000
understand

921
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,399
why christianity was produced by rome

922
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,799
they wanted another version of judaism

923
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:31,039
they wanted one that was pro-roman

924
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,000
you've done this uh

925
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,000
a hundred times joe but just kind of

926
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,360
quickly

927
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,480
go over some of those parallels some of

928
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:39,760
those sequences

929
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,799
and then most importantly highlight how

930
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:45,600
what what josephus so so the end play

931
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,159
here let me

932
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,200
recap if i can for people josephus

933
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,200
if you don't know if you haven't kind of

934
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,279
done the deep dive already which i never

935
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:55,039
knew who josephus was before i talked to

936
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,600
you

937
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,159
but he is this sometimes characterized

938
00:34:04,950 --> 00:33:59,840
as a roman historian

939
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,960
but who he really is is a jewish

940
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,360
jewish well he was a jewish rabbi he was

941
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,320
also a jewish

942
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:11,119
general and he was the first boots on

943
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:12,079
the ground guy

944
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:16,159
in galilee when the romans came in to do

945
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:16,879
their

946
00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:20,159
said hey guys

947
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:23,960
through some strange very very shady

948
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:27,200
unbelievably unbelievable uh set of

949
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,240
circumstances

950
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,599
came to ally himself with the romans

951
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,839
and most importantly what you always

952
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,440
point out is that

953
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,560
in this process he had this

954
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:41,359
spiritually revelatory experience and

955
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,679
this

956
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,560
is his claim from his jewish rabbi that

957
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:45,599
everything he

958
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,599
understood about judaism was wrong

959
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:52,159
and that what the messiah was really all

960
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,879
about

961
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,639
what the second coming was really all

962
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,560
about was

963
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,200
roman caesar and that therefore i mean

964
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,040
this is so transparent at this point

965
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,079
this is so uh therefore you know

966
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,720
this is who we should really this is why

967
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,000
we should be pro roman

968
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,760
because this is the this is where our uh

969
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,520
this is what has been prophesized all

970
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:15,520
along so i'm sorry i went on and on

971
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,160
there

972
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,560
lay out some of those parallels and then

973
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,240
add anything you can to

974
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:23,280
the the big picture story here yeah

975
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,720
there uh you know um it depends how

976
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,240
you'd want to characterize it but there

977
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:31,280
might be as many as 70

978
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,440
events which are linked from between the

979
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,119
adult ministry of jesus that is

980
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,119
characterized in the gospels

981
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,240
and the history of the war that josephus

982
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:46,160
recorded um some of the parallels are

983
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,680
actually quite complicated

984
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:50,079
and most of the critics of caesar's

985
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,040
messiah would

986
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:54,079
go to the most complex and then say

987
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,000
look it's hallucination by atwell this

988
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,520
is parallel mania um but the fact is you

989
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,280
can simply

990
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,640
basically look at events which are

991
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,599
are not complicated which in fact are in

992
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,000
many cases simply the historical events

993
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,880
and see that the story of jesus was made

994
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:16,880
up of uh events from the uh

995
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,800
from the war um the his adult ministry

996
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,200
starts at the sea of galilee

997
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,680
uh where he tells his disciples that if

998
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,160
they follow him they will fish for men

999
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,560
uh this is the same location where titus

1000
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,960
flavius begins his military campaign at

1001
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,800
the sea of galilee and

1002
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:37,200
he uh sinks the jewish fishing fleet and

1003
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:38,400
then they

1004
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,320
fish for the jews with their spears um

1005
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,760
the um the locations of the two

1006
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,520
stories are the same and occur in the

1007
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,200
same sequence so

1008
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,079
um jesus you know after the galilean

1009
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:54,880
ministry goes on to jerusalem

1010
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,640
titus does the same you um

1011
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,359
you have like a series of historical

1012
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
events the

1013
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:05,200
basically jerusalem is encircled with a

1014
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,480
wall

1015
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:09,440
you have the abomination of desolation

1016
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,760
um

1017
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,119
and then you have the temple being

1018
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,040
raised i mean

1019
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,160
these events uh are are known to be

1020
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,280
basically uh

1021
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,280
from the jewish war these are these are

1022
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,720
prophecies in

1023
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,880
in the gospels but our historical events

1024
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,320
in jesus

1025
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,280
um you have the um amazing three

1026
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,839
crucified one survives taken down by

1027
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,240
joseph of arimathea parallel

1028
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,880
uh which came out in caesar's messiah

1029
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,040
even though

1030
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,200
it's just so incredibly obvious that the

1031
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,040
two stories are the same

1032
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,160
um why it had never become part of

1033
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,160
modern scholarship is just beyond me

1034
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,000
there was one other scholar cliff

1035
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,960
carrington an australian auto didac

1036
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:53,839
uh who had also noticed it but he hadn't

1037
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,560
published it

1038
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,720
so we were unaware of one another's work

1039
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,599
uh

1040
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,480
um and then you know and we should just

1041
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:02,000
we should just add there so we don't get

1042
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:03,599
to bible geeky

1043
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:07,119
quick big picture these writings of

1044
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,160
josephus

1045
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:11,040
who really you kind of even pierced

1046
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:11,440
through

1047
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:15,839
that paper-thin idea of josephus and

1048
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:16,480
suggest

1049
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,000
hey let's just say this is the

1050
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,960
the roman court historians it's their

1051
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:23,920
version

1052
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,720
but what's really important is among

1053
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,079
biblical scholars

1054
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,880
if you really push them they won't even

1055
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,480
disagree with the idea

1056
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:35,440
that the gospels as they say are quote

1057
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:35,920
unquote

1058
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,200
dependent on josephus which means

1059
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,320
it kind of is this flowery way of kind

1060
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,280
of softly

1061
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,560
you know admitting that

1062
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:49,440
josephus was used to write the gospels

1063
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,920
that

1064
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,800
should be game over and it's kind of

1065
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,920
interesting to me

1066
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:56,320
that that isn't game over but that is

1067
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,200
also

1068
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,800
you know taking this in a slightly

1069
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,000
different direction but it's one i

1070
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,240
always wanted you to comment on

1071
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,119
so caesar's messiah is not going to

1072
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,560
change the world

1073
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,560
and you know even when i talk to you

1074
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,079
five seven years ago i think the first

1075
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,520
time i talked to you

1076
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,359
i guess i always had in the back of my

1077
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,680
mind that hey as more people

1078
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,119
understand this this is really gonna

1079
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,640
make a huge difference and i have to say

1080
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:23,760
with all respect

1081
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,040
joe it hasn't and it's almost more

1082
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:29,119
interesting in the reasons that it

1083
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:29,920
hasn't

1084
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,000
kind of supports your case even further

1085
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,599
because the reason it hasn't is number

1086
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,800
one

1087
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,640
the organization you're against is a

1088
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,520
cult and cults don't go down like that

1089
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,160
they don't go down with logical rational

1090
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,119
information and the second reason the

1091
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,200
second reason is that

1092
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,560
you're you're against you're exposing a

1093
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:56,560
political psyop

1094
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,240
so by definition the hidden controllers

1095
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
behind this

1096
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,000
are quite satisfied with the narrative

1097
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,440
the way that it is

1098
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,480
so we wouldn't expect it to change

1099
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:11,119
just because somebody says hey isn't

1100
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,640
this obvious this is uh

1101
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,880
this is what's really going on any

1102
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,839
thoughts on that

1103
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:18,480
well i mean basically you described it

1104
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,040
very well

1105
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,079
um there are christian scholars

1106
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,520
who in private will accept my analysis

1107
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,440
and will even mention to me that it

1108
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,880
seems coherent

1109
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:32,160
but will attack me publicly and

1110
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,000
defend uh christianity you know um

1111
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:39,200
as uh you know based on a historical

1112
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:39,760
jesus

1113
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,119
um you know everything can be nuanced or

1114
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,839
you know diced to to a kind of a point

1115
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,800
where

1116
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,359
uh you have doubt and if there's any

1117
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,359
doubt whatsoever then

1118
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,359
uh they can just you know put that

1119
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,520
forward slowing showing that uh you know

1120
00:41:03,270 --> 00:40:59,680
that we don't need to pay attention to

1121
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,280
to this kind of analysis um i

1122
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,200
i when i brought caesar's messiah out i

1123
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,880
was curious as to how it was all going

1124
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,520
to

1125
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
you know play out i really wasn't

1126
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,760
looking forward to some

1127
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:14,800
enormous you know cultural over upheaval

1128
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:15,040
i

1129
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,119
book

1130
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:26,000
is only uh promoted through word of

1131
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:26,720
mouth

1132
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,240
i have no you know attempts whatsoever

1133
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,440
to uh to promote it um and it has sold

1134
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,440
over a hundred thousand copies which

1135
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,440
in terms of new testament scholarship

1136
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,240
makes it basically a kind of bestseller

1137
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:43,760
there's a documentary which now has been

1138
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:47,680
you know a youtube uh like like

1139
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,599
watched count of over four million so

1140
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,560
it has it has slowly kind of worked

1141
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,680
itself into

1142
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,720
consciousness of the kind of collective

1143
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:01,440
cultural consciousness um but i wouldn't

1144
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,079
be surprised

1145
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,800
if it took you know on if it was just

1146
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,079
like under a natural

1147
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,079
process of like 50 years for it to

1148
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,119
really have

1149
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,040
you know kind of uh kind of sort of an

1150
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,119
upheaval aspect to it but

1151
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,680
more and more people um people who read

1152
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,440
the analysis

1153
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,920
uh just spread the word to other people

1154
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,720
um

1155
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,319
and like you say like a really good

1156
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,880
example of sort of sort of the power of

1157
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:25,760
how

1158
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:28,839
dr

1159
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:32,079
price the bible geek who's you know one

1160
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,040
of the very best

1161
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,839
known and probably very best new

1162
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,079
testament scholars in the world

1163
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,480
and when the book came out he did a very

1164
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,560
negative review which i still

1165
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,800
suffer from in which he he accused me of

1166
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,400
parallel mania

1167
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,160
you know he said this is clever but

1168
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,200
basically it's a hallucination

1169
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,119
but being a very honest person uh he

1170
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,720
you know when he began to have doubts he

1171
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,720
went back and did more analysis

1172
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,400
and then you saw the recent video that

1173
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,319
we did where he now is

1174
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,839
basically accepting the premise of

1175
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,800
caesar's messiah which is that

1176
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,200
the son of man that jesus predicts is in

1177
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,720
fact the flavian caesar

1178
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,119
so the conclusion of caesar's messiah is

1179
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,440
now something that he is promoting is

1180
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,200
just routine you know new zealand

1181
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:18,480
scholarship so

1182
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,640
there has been a change uh and um

1183
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,640
you know how long it would it will take

1184
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:26,079
gee i have no idea

1185
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,079
it it um uh

1186
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:32,160
there there are such great and and kind

1187
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,200
of momentous

1188
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,119
upheavals going on in our world right

1189
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
now um i think

1190
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,880
under those conditions christianity is

1191
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,800
something people cling to

1192
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,160
you know harder than they would

1193
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,720
otherwise are not open oh but you know

1194
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,680
people who have an atheistic lens and

1195
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,520
i'm not saying you do i'm not saying you

1196
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,800
don't but i know that

1197
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:52,880
a lot of people who follow you have that

1198
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,839
lens

1199
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,079
they become like christian apologists

1200
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:57,760
you know they're sorting through the

1201
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,400
data

1202
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,280
trying to spin it in the way that they

1203
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,440
want but this idea that there's some

1204
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,520
movement away from the cult of

1205
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,680
christianity or there's a movement away

1206
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,319
from

1207
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:11,520
spirituality i mean to what the the the

1208
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,319
problem

1209
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,359
atheism

1210
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,319
is philosophically completely bankrupt

1211
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,720
and it's because that scientifically it

1212
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,720
never made any sense from the beginning

1213
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,640
from the time 100 years ago we did the

1214
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,240
double slit experiment

1215
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:29,599
the observer effect is is is the

1216
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,960
philosophical hurdle that atheism can't

1217
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,000
jump over

1218
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:37,040
we are part of the process we are more

1219
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,920
than this

1220
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,920
biological robot in a meaningless

1221
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,520
universe so there's a dead

1222
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,640
end there and anyone who pull pursues it

1223
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,319
down that what's traditionally been

1224
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,760
called the mythicist

1225
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,480
what is really the atheist perspective

1226
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,319
they're never going to make any headway

1227
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,720
in my opinion

1228
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,760
well the headway will be very difficult

1229
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,040
to make because

1230
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,040
you know even in like the experiments

1231
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:03,040
that you mentioned it's so difficult to

1232
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,000
really

1233
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,920
make progress from there in our world

1234
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:11,040
god if he exists does not make himself

1235
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,680
known

1236
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,560
in a clear way and so there's always

1237
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,480
room for doubt we are

1238
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,240
just existentially precarious

1239
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,640
uh i mean what is a human to make of his

1240
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:23,760
experience

1241
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:27,839
and him and his or herself um

1242
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,200
uh you know believing in god uh is

1243
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,079
you know makes coherent a lot of the

1244
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,200
unexplainable

1245
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:38,079
uh physical phenomena so but even even

1246
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:38,560
when you

1247
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,000
cast things as believing in god

1248
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,520
that is a very narrow kind of

1249
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:48,640
again it's kind of the atheistic apollo

1250
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,319
spin on on it's the apologist

1251
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:55,200
version of atheism right let's talk

1252
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,160
about god

1253
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,000
because no one can define god and we

1254
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,520
immediately understand that

1255
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,200
that's a term that's going to trigger

1256
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,359
people i go back to consciousness and

1257
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,880
you realize that

1258
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,920
the the scientific position of the

1259
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,960
atheists

1260
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,240
are that consciousness is an illusion

1261
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:14,560
so kneel down neil degrasse tyson you

1262
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,440
know one of the

1263
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,839
most popular out there figures in

1264
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:18,800
science

1265
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,160
that's his position that is an absurd

1266
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,480
idea you know i keep quoting all the

1267
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,760
people that i come on they go

1268
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,240
that is absolutely absurd no one in time

1269
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,839
has ever believed that no culture has

1270
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,760
ever believed that we've falsified it

1271
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,839
scientifically over and over again why

1272
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:36,240
is that meme perpetuated when it doesn't

1273
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:37,280
make any sense

1274
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,640
if you know only one thing you know that

1275
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,680
you were conscious

1276
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,880
you know i don't know if you're

1277
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,800
conscious i don't know if you're a robot

1278
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,800
but i know that i'm conscious and i'm

1279
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,079
having this experience

1280
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,640
so it that's philosophical but then like

1281
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,920
i say if you go to the

1282
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,760
quantum physics and you start doing the

1283
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,119
double slit experiment

1284
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,839
consciousness is fundamental that's what

1285
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,599
everyone's saying that's what niels bohr

1286
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,040
that's what niels bohr is saying that's

1287
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,680
what uh schrodinger is saying that's

1288
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,960
what everyone's saying right that's the

1289
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:07,200
conclusion for that never been falsified

1290
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,280
so the whole the whole logic and science

1291
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,520
and philosophy behind the atheist

1292
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,200
position is ridiculous

1293
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,200
and the only way it's propped up i mean

1294
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,800
this is the parallel to your work

1295
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,119
it's propped up by another conspiracy i

1296
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,400
mean if you want to

1297
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:25,599
another way to con so so

1298
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,119
driving people uh over to your religious

1299
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,960
cult is a nice way to control them

1300
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,520
because then

1301
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,599
as long as you can control the dogma of

1302
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:35,200
the cult you have a certain degree of

1303
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,319
control over people

1304
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:39,680
well pushing people towards this other

1305
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:43,599
uh scientism uh cult and convincing them

1306
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,160
that they're

1307
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,839
biological robots in a meaningless

1308
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,680
universe and they should be afraid

1309
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,200
and they should be afraid of dying of

1310
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,160
course but they should also be afraid of

1311
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,000
everything because they have no control

1312
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,160
over anything well that's another

1313
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,640
very effective means so you know you

1314
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,000
have these two forces

1315
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,720
that are perfectly uh synchronized in

1316
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,920
terms of what they do

1317
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,920
to the to the population and make them

1318
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,280
just go hell

1319
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,880
you know i don't know i'm but i'm

1320
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,119
certainly not going to think very deeply

1321
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,640
about things

1322
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,319
yeah i i actually am quite um

1323
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,400
intrigued and supportive of your

1324
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,520
perspective

1325
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,440
on consciousness because of its

1326
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:22,880
political aspect

1327
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:26,319
i mean i think that you know i don't

1328
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,720
think

1329
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:29,760
atheism is disprovable

1330
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,200
to any more extent than god is provable

1331
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,760
and i'm not sure that this is uh these

1332
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,040
are actually the most important

1333
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,319
questions which is

1334
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:41,359
to me what is the correct understanding

1335
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,079
of ourselves

1336
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,680
and spirit you know and and of course

1337
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:48,000
given my background obviously the first

1338
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,119
thing i'm looking at

1339
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,319
is how is our ideas about ourselves

1340
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,559
manipulated politically

1341
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,640
right have we been basically given an

1342
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,480
idea about our consciousness

1343
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,720
that is untrue just so that we can be

1344
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:02,559
more easily ruled

1345
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,400
and the idea that we are an illusion

1346
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:09,760
um is in my mind a decadent

1347
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:13,359
uh you know political position

1348
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,720
and it's not even worthwhile discussing

1349
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,559
in terms of it as spirituality because

1350
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,200
you already have this enormous problem

1351
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,559
that if you think of yourself as an

1352
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,160
illusion if you think of life as

1353
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:25,920
something that is absurd

1354
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,200
or meaningless then you basically don't

1355
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,000
have the right

1356
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,079
uh kind of resiliency in terms of

1357
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,000
coherent political

1358
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:37,599
uh perspective you see so um

1359
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,520
i think that uh the real um

1360
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,079
one one of the ways that you can tell if

1361
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:46,480
your if your perspective on spirituality

1362
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:50,160
is uh is is valid is if it is

1363
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,240
um if it's producing a a more powerful

1364
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,720
position for you politically

1365
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,520
i mean this to me is a better more

1366
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,240
reasonable guide path approach than

1367
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,240
you know even considering you know like

1368
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,920
the ideas of like the french

1369
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:07,839
existentialists or the

1370
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,520
you know the modern uh you know quantum

1371
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,920
theorist uh you know kind of ideas look

1372
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,520
about consciousness

1373
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,599
this this is this is structurally

1374
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,359
nonsensical because

1375
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,440
the first thing we want to do about our

1376
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,200
understanding of our spirit

1377
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,520
is arrange it into the world with

1378
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,559
ourselves

1379
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,119
and and we don't want to accept ideas

1380
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,240
about ourselves

1381
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,480
which make us impotent i mean this is

1382
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,599
not the purpose

1383
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,760
of uh of the of the of the original

1384
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,839
analysis it's not why we were

1385
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,760
having these questions we have the

1386
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,200
questions about spirit because we want

1387
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:43,040
to improve ourselves we want to improve

1388
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:44,240
our lives

1389
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,319
and so you have to have you know

1390
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,760
some some basically resistance

1391
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,520
to even enter into these kinds of

1392
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,800
discussions because

1393
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,640
not only are they nonsensical and of

1394
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,599
course you're always dealing with

1395
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,200
something which is unapprovable

1396
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,079
but they're just decadent politically um

1397
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,200
i i really

1398
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,319
like uh your approach on evil i think

1399
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,559
is on the on why its existence is

1400
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,000
important

1401
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,880
i mean this is such a great path for

1402
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,960
people to walk down because

1403
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,640
what it does i mean you're never going

1404
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,559
to get people to you know who are

1405
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,119
devout christians to give up their faith

1406
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
you're never going to

1407
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,720
i don't think change that kind of

1408
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,520
fundamental

1409
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,400
you know position but what you can do is

1410
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,319
set a person up to have the right kind

1411
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,760
of skepticism

1412
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,599
which is why even like the title of your

1413
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:35,599
show because that's really what we're

1414
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,000
looking

1415
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,040
for is just um individuals who are more

1416
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,720
skeptical who are more facile

1417
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,000
intellectually

1418
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,680
who cannot be enslaved through ideas

1419
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,160
you see this is really in my mind what

1420
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,839
is important about caesar's messiah is

1421
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,520
that it shows that look

1422
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,599
we were enslaved we were intellectually

1423
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,160
enslaved we were enslaved by propaganda

1424
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,800
and the critical point is we didn't know

1425
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,000
we were enslaved

1426
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,000
we didn't understand it and how

1427
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,839
important is that today with our current

1428
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,400
position

1429
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,960
right when we're our constitution is

1430
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,760
being thrown away i mean

1431
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,079
this this perspective the perspective

1432
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:13,839
that you're offering in your show

1433
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,280
um it is it's more important to me

1434
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,720
politically than than

1435
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:21,280
sort of analytically because i don't

1436
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,400
really care

1437
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,240
uh you know whether or not someone comes

1438
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:26,079
up to the position that there is life

1439
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:27,040
after death

1440
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,720
what i want is for them to have a

1441
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,520
spirituality

1442
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,079
that is something that is is uh

1443
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,319
beneficial to that individual

1444
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,160
right and it isn't going to happen

1445
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:40,000
through one of these psyop religions or

1446
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:40,319
through

1447
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,839
these psyop media programs i mean to me

1448
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,319
things like cnn and fox news are just

1449
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,960
other aspects of christian propaganda

1450
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:50,480
basically they're just

1451
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,640
uh the oligarchs using you know clever

1452
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:57,040
manipulative techniques to to get people

1453
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,559
into the position of

1454
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,040
of accepting slavery without knowing it

1455
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,800
promote spirituality that promotes

1456
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,480
skepticism

1457
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:07,440
but that that's awesome um and it might

1458
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,240
be

1459
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,720
it might serve as a really really nice

1460
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,760
segue

1461
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,920
into the glorious steinham thing because

1462
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,280
i think so

1463
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,640
some of the work that you've done on

1464
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,800
that and not just with the facts but the

1465
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,720
way that you've connected it and tied it

1466
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:23,119
together

1467
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:27,440
left the progressive movement

1468
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,880
which again is part of this atheistic

1469
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,880
side of things and again folks i'm not a

1470
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,200
christian i'm not a religious person

1471
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,040
so i don't have that problem with the

1472
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,200
atheist i just see it as a mere

1473
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,520
image of the control mechanism and if

1474
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,880
you see how i love

1475
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,000
you know your term the lifetime

1476
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:49,280
player so he

1477
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:52,960
hit people up with the stuff they don't

1478
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,079
know about gloria steinem and how that

1479
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,280
fits so perfectly with just another

1480
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:02,160
example another play major play in the

1481
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,880
playbook

1482
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,760
of the control minik the control

1483
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:06,640
mechanism

1484
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,400
the divide and rule theme

1485
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:13,839
right um steinem is an example of

1486
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,119
an individual that was

1487
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:20,720
selected and trained by the

1488
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:24,319
uh ruling class

1489
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:28,720
she was selected in in college um

1490
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,960
the um there was a a scholarship

1491
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,760
which uh she was the only one that ever

1492
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,480
basically received um

1493
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,920
and uh this is the chester bowles

1494
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,400
student fellowship that it was the

1495
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,319
chester bowles scholarship

1496
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,400
which then enabled her to travel to

1497
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,400
india um

1498
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,760
and this this was you know basically

1499
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:54,799
chester bowles

1500
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,640
then you can look back and and see that

1501
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,720
he was in contact with alan dulles these

1502
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,400
letters are in existence and he was

1503
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:04,400
telling dulles that they needed to send

1504
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,119
agents

1505
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,920
for the purpose of social basically for

1506
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:08,960
a kind of

1507
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:13,119
promotion of the culture of the west

1508
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,040
uh in areas where communism was emerging

1509
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:19,359
as a kind of counterbalance and he

1510
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,720
mentioned india

1511
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,200
um and so then his scholarship was given

1512
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,720
to steinem and she traveled to india

1513
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,920
with this money

1514
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,720
um her activity there she claimed to

1515
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,520
have written a book

1516
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,559
but it's not in existence what is known

1517
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:33,599
is that from there

1518
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,640
she went into europe where

1519
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,280
this part of her career is outed as a as

1520
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:41,440
basically as a cia agent i mean this

1521
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,079
this was

1522
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,280
what was exposed um by the

1523
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,200
red stockings which were a group of

1524
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:48,720
feminists that were

1525
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,160
um aghast that gloria steinem had taken

1526
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,160
over their movement eventually

1527
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,680
basically and that that she was giving

1528
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,520
all this publicity so they did

1529
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,359
this organization the red stockings did

1530
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,079
research into her activity in europe and

1531
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:04,400
they found that she was basically

1532
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:07,839
an agent provocateur sent in to be

1533
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,440
to break up um youth festivals

1534
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,559
which were promoting uh socialism and

1535
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
they had been uh

1536
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,920
you know seen as something that could

1537
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,599
lead to you know like a

1538
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:22,319
lack of favor uh in the population

1539
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,040
toward uh

1540
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,400
capitalism and in the west so classic

1541
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,599
classic infiltration co-opting

1542
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,359
kind of thing right they get this

1543
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,119
attractive young woman

1544
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,960
she you're the perfect person to go to

1545
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,559
these student festivals

1546
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:38,559
you know get in with the people find out

1547
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,599
who's who

1548
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,079
also you know that's the initial play

1549
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,319
and then the next play is you know maybe

1550
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,480
to try and

1551
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,960
misinform disinformation thing like

1552
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:50,319
ninety percent of what you're saying is

1553
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,720
right

1554
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,839
ten percent of what you're saying is

1555
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,960
wrong what i like what comes out of that

1556
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:56,400
you know like part of the documentation

1557
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:57,280
we have for it

1558
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:00,799
i i love where we have actually the memo

1559
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:04,079
from her boss at the time cia guy and he

1560
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:04,559
says

1561
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:07,599
wow this steinham she is a whiz kid

1562
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,880
she's she's the best we have at this and

1563
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,960
it's just and this is folks this is

1564
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:14,640
completely unrelated

1565
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,480
to the feminist thing this is just a cia

1566
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,680
agent who is really good

1567
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,520
at doing what she's doing and whether

1568
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,880
you call her a cia

1569
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,200
agent or whether you call her you know a

1570
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,119
lifetime player that's connected to the

1571
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,880
cia with some loose ties

1572
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,799
i mean maybe you can even explore that

1573
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:34,240
how do you think that works because a

1574
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,280
lot of people go

1575
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:36,960
you know show me your pay stub for the

1576
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,640
cia oh no she was actually a an employed

1577
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,160
agent and admitted such

1578
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,720
if anyone's curious about this after she

1579
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:46,799
was outed by the red stockings

1580
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,160
um and and even this is like a very

1581
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,200
um interesting and revealing story um

1582
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,799
they did the analysis um she found out

1583
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,359
about it

1584
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,680
and brought suit against the publisher

1585
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,880
that was going to bring it

1586
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,400
against the publishing company that was

1587
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,920
going to bring it out as a book

1588
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,760
she's prevented it from actually being

1589
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,960
published

1590
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,040
it was it was only brought to the public

1591
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,400
because a

1592
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,880
a student newspaper student housing

1593
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,480
newspaper

1594
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:17,200
of columbia university brought out the

1595
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,160
analysis

1596
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,839
because individuals there knew the

1597
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,200
feminists in the red stockings

1598
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,480
organization

1599
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,160
and uh and they brought it out because

1600
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,680
they felt this was first amendment

1601
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,040
and so they brought out this this

1602
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,280
analysis uh and evidence showing that

1603
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,200
simon was a cia agent

1604
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,680
so cynon was caught and she then had the

1605
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,200
famous press conference where she said

1606
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:39,040
yeah i was an agent i was a cia agent

1607
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:39,839
but

1608
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,920
the cia was a good liberal organization

1609
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,839
and i felt that i was really helping

1610
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:47,920
liberalism in other words she never

1611
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,960
broke stride from her image as

1612
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,200
a you know progressive left uh

1613
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,319
intellectual

1614
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,640
she said you know and it's more than she

1615
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,079
never broke stride

1616
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:01,680
in my opinion because i think her

1617
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,119
the craftiness with which she re-spun

1618
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,359
the story after she was exposed

1619
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:10,319
is so telling it's almost like a direct

1620
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,960
you know it's

1621
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,680
another play out of the playbook it's

1622
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,520
taking stuff that's true

1623
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:17,920
but then you know giving it another

1624
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,559
twist

1625
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:20,480
but it's also at the same time denying

1626
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:21,599
like when she says

1627
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:25,280
yes i actually found that the cia was

1628
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:26,160
like you said

1629
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,319
a great help in advancing progressive

1630
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:33,440
values towards the liberation of women

1631
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,160
and everyone's like

1632
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,480
wow yeah i guess maybe so well what

1633
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,079
about the student festivals

1634
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,599
what about the other you know all that

1635
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,079
is kind of etched out of the

1636
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,400
erased out of the story in order to keep

1637
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,079
this narrative going

1638
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:49,520
well moreover she was um on the board of

1639
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:50,559
a directors

1640
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:54,000
of a of an organization that at the time

1641
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,559
of that

1642
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,359
so she was talking about my history as a

1643
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:58,319
cia agent

1644
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,079
in the past but then as it then came out

1645
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:03,760
she was still a member

1646
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:06,480
of this organization um that was

1647
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,119
receiving

1648
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,920
cia money at the very time that that she

1649
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,520
was having the press conference

1650
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,200
and then if you look at the funding of

1651
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,960
ms magazine

1652
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,520
this is actually hilarious because the

1653
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:18,960
individual clay felker

1654
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,000
who or who excuse me um

1655
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,200
arranged for the funding he was one of

1656
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,280
the cia agents she was working with in

1657
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:28,559
europe

1658
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,760
so i mean it's just preposterous that

1659
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,960
she could even

1660
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,520
make the case with a straight face that

1661
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,359
she was no longer see a agent

1662
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,200
but you see here it becomes grim because

1663
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,359
now you're looking at ms magazine

1664
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,599
as something that is actually being

1665
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,680
brought into existence by the cia and so

1666
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,119
now you have the question of

1667
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,799
why are they mucking around in our

1668
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,240
culture you see

1669
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,280
why are they putting in such an extreme

1670
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:54,960
version of feminism

1671
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,839
there's a great interview with uh uh

1672
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,480
kathy

1673
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,640
sarah child who was a member of the red

1674
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,000
stockings

1675
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:05,680
and uh and she talks about how

1676
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,280
steinem was given publicity that they

1677
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,920
the the actual legitimate feminist could

1678
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:13,040
never get

1679
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,480
and she talks about her extrem extreme

1680
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,520
anti-family and anti-male position as

1681
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,040
really not being

1682
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,359
uh something that the the original

1683
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:25,040
feminists were promoting which they were

1684
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:25,599
mainly

1685
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,680
an economic um uh focused organization

1686
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,960
they were they were looking for

1687
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,280
you know equal pay for equal work this

1688
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:35,359
whole idea about destroying the family i

1689
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,920
mean

1690
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,799
uh was not really part of their agenda

1691
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,160
why was steinum

1692
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,960
um suddenly given all the publicity and

1693
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,480
so now you get into

1694
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,960
basically the counterculture and you can

1695
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:47,920
see that steinham

1696
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,799
you can easily place her in the context

1697
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,160
of an overall

1698
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,400
psychological operation against our

1699
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:55,520
culture

1700
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,359
to produce a debased

1701
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,079
population that has less family

1702
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,760
production

1703
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,480
has more single moms has more what i

1704
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:08,559
would call pornographic males

1705
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,480
because you have to remember alex every

1706
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:11,760
time there that

1707
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,280
a a organization is divided

1708
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,680
one like an ethnicity is broken into

1709
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:18,559
families

1710
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,319
individual

1711
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,400
uh sexes and now of course even the

1712
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,400
sexes are being divided you know with

1713
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:29,200
the transsexual movements every time

1714
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,000
that is done

1715
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,760
the individual that is produced by the

1716
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:33,280
proce process

1717
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,319
is less politically powerful because

1718
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:37,920
that sounds roman

1719
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:40,640
divide and rule you know how that quote

1720
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:41,200
is that

1721
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:44,920
uh latin that latin translation is often

1722
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:47,359
mistranslated it's not divide and

1723
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,319
conquer

1724
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,880
it's divide and rule keep and this is

1725
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:52,240
right out of the room this is exactly

1726
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,440
what they did right

1727
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:56,720
they'd go in they'd invade a territory

1728
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,079
and then they'd go to the one uh uh

1729
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,319
you know tribal leader and say hey you

1730
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,920
know i just talked to that other guy

1731
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:04,799
over there

1732
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,920
what a jerk huh well yeah we've had some

1733
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:09,520
problems with them in the past yeah i

1734
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,000
know

1735
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,079
i tell you what we'll protect you from

1736
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:14,000
that guy we'll put up a little barrier

1737
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,480
here

1738
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:16,319
because you really need that don't you i

1739
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,079
mean that's exactly what they did just

1740
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:19,680
read roman history

1741
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,359
exactly look there's only so many ways

1742
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:25,680
that it is possible to manipulate humans

1743
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:26,559
i mean there are

1744
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,680
probably an infinite number of

1745
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,839
variations but the broad structure is

1746
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,200
always the same

1747
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,680
you need to have trust so you need to

1748
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,920
have an individual who is given trust

1749
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,839
and then that trust is used to give

1750
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:39,440
false narratives to give

1751
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:43,039
fake history that's it so steinem is

1752
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:46,480
created as a um a defender

1753
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,400
and a heroine of the feminist cause

1754
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,720
and so that's the lens that women look

1755
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,920
at her through

1756
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,400
they don't look past that image they

1757
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,240
don't look to her cia background they

1758
01:04:01,109 --> 01:04:00,000
don't question the idea of what was this

1759
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,119
deliberate

1760
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,359
because to do so you see how clever the

1761
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,520
propaganda is to do so

1762
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,160
would make them have that um moment of

1763
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,520
self-criticism

1764
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,200
and you know it's fascinating to me you

1765
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,200
mentioned it earlier in the show about

1766
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:15,520
how hard it is for christians to do this

1767
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:18,160
well think about someone who's grown up

1768
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,440
as a feminist

1769
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,920
how difficult that process the same

1770
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,000
process would be for that individual

1771
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,880
because to look at steinem realistically

1772
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,480
is the same thing as for a christian

1773
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,799
look at jesus realistically

1774
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,039
you it's almost impossible to do because

1775
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,960
your mind has been structured away from

1776
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:35,520
the

1777
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,039
to happen

1778
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:41,520
hey just one more steinem story that i

1779
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:43,039
always like to slip in in case there's

1780
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,319
any lingering doubts

1781
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:45,839
on the part of people and then i want to

1782
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,319
ask you kind of the big devil's advocate

1783
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:50,160
question on all of this stuff

1784
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,240
but the the other story i wanted you to

1785
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:54,720
get to i love this in this kind of

1786
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:57,920
sad tragic humor dark humor kind of way

1787
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:01,680
is the 2012 syrian

1788
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:04,960
uh liberate women's liberation

1789
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,079
ploy scam that she pulled you know

1790
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,960
like uh do your do you have the the

1791
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:12,720
details on that or should i pull it off

1792
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,079
i don't i mean i i have actually um

1793
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,680
the last couple years kind of gotten

1794
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,119
away from steinem i

1795
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,200
she's included in my new book but that

1796
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,880
chapter was long since written and it's

1797
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:23,839
really

1798
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,880
emergence as a as a political person as

1799
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:32,240
a famous person that's really kind of

1800
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:33,280
the part i'm interested in

1801
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,799
what happened in syria it did that let

1802
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:38,000
me let me pull it up

1803
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,280
yeah i'd like to hear about this

1804
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:42,319
actually yeah this is a classic joke

1805
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:42,880
just

1806
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,400
under siege so in

1807
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:52,559
2012 so if you remember back this was

1808
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,119
kind of

1809
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,480
in the middle of the whole syrian thing

1810
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:58,720
which if people don't understand it

1811
01:06:03,190 --> 01:05:59,520
syria was

1812
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:03,200
backed by the russians we were trying to

1813
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,000
overthrow

1814
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,359
syria through isis and again if people

1815
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,880
are uncomfortable with that you have to

1816
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,720
just go understand that

1817
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,799
we were really the funding agency the

1818
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:14,880
creation of isis from the beginning

1819
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,839
and isis remember the ones who put

1820
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,520
burqas on the women

1821
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,760
cut off the arms if some if a woman was

1822
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,520
found out with

1823
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:26,720
outside and had any skin exposing that's

1824
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:27,359
isis

1825
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:31,760
right meanwhile syria is by all accounts

1826
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:34,880
the most secular the most progressive

1827
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:38,559
politically you know

1828
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:42,559
state among the arab states in that area

1829
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:45,440
so gloria steinem and again to your

1830
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:46,000
point of

1831
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:48,160
lifetime player right so you think oh

1832
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:49,680
yeah she's just this old

1833
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,960
feminist from the 70s this is 2012. her

1834
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:53,920
group

1835
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:57,440
women under siege project comes out

1836
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:01,680
and denounces syria as

1837
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:05,440
as you know not supporting the rights of

1838
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:06,000
women

1839
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:12,000
and again this is when syria is battling

1840
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,039
isis

1841
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,359
so but what was the cia's position at

1842
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:17,119
the time of course the cia's position

1843
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:17,599
was

1844
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:20,960
overthrow syria so

1845
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,470
so here's the here's the kind of wacky

1846
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:32,880
devil's advocate position that i want

1847
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:33,599
you to

1848
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,039
to try and sort out at the end of the

1849
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:38,960
day

1850
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,079
a lot of these conflicts are

1851
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,920
i don't know comparable to war i mean

1852
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,079
they really are we always do you know

1853
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,280
and in war you know you have to do

1854
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,680
certain things in order to get the job

1855
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,760
done you got to sacrifice the men

1856
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,440
on this hill and you know they're going

1857
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,920
to die so you can send the guys around

1858
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,359
the other side of the hill

1859
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,359
and knock them out that way but you know

1860
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:02,559
these guys are going to die

1861
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:06,240
you know could one make the case

1862
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:09,839
that in certain instances

1863
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,319
our grand overlord controllers

1864
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,799
are just doing the dirty work that we're

1865
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:18,480
not willing to do

1866
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:21,520
so the glorious steinham project

1867
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,960
as evil as it was in its implementation

1868
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,159
is underhanded

1869
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:29,279
as secret society

1870
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:32,719
sciopy was serving

1871
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:36,159
the purpose of advancing the rights of

1872
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,040
women

1873
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,600
in a way that we were in unable to do

1874
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,480
because really

1875
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,719
you know why did women why did women not

1876
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:44,719
have the vote until 1920

1877
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,159
that's the so and why hadn't women

1878
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:50,560
move forward more in terms of equality

1879
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:51,679
at the time that

1880
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,359
steinham was doing that so are they

1881
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:58,239
sometimes moving the ball in the right

1882
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,359
direction

1883
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,279
world war ii are they allowing the

1884
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,440
japanese to

1885
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,480
bomb pearl harbor while we send the

1886
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,880
the fleet of aircraft carriers out

1887
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,560
because the number of

1888
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,480
people who were behind getting in world

1889
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,080
war ii was super low

1890
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,960
and as soon as they bombed pearl harbor

1891
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:17,839
everyone went

1892
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:21,199
and enlisted

1893
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,040
oh i would say uh if you have to use

1894
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,480
secrecy

1895
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:29,120
um there is something wrong with your

1896
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,080
you know position

1897
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,279
just from basic human moral

1898
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:36,560
structure i mean i i i think that

1899
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:40,799
um there is nothing that

1900
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:44,080
would be uniquely and totally evil

1901
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,759
i mean you look at the gospels you know

1902
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,719
at the beginning of the show you were

1903
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:48,000
talking about all of the good things

1904
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:49,359
that are possible to

1905
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:53,199
glean from it to make an operation

1906
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,440
um widely held widely lightly supported

1907
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,679
you have to have in part of what you

1908
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,320
present to the public um

1909
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,080
something that they find is is

1910
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:05,760
beneficial it has to be

1911
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,880
part and parcel of it um but

1912
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,199
that simply creates the the hooks you

1913
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:12,719
know for the control

1914
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:15,280
which is hidden um and the public is

1915
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,000
then taken

1916
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,679
into a place that they would not have

1917
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:19,199
gone otherwise

1918
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,800
um it goes to basically democracy if um

1919
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,120
if if this is a system that is

1920
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,800
reasonable

1921
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:29,040
then you have to resist propaganda and

1922
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,560
whether or not from time to time it

1923
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,760
takes you to

1924
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,280
a better place and the public's would

1925
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:35,280
have gone and if they were led to their

1926
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,480
own device

1927
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,960
um that's in my mind is a very small

1928
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,400
part price to pay

1929
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:43,040
for structures like world war ii or

1930
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,320
world war one

1931
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:47,280
or the civil war are uh you know things

1932
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,719
like that i would regard as

1933
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,960
as part of this for example like the

1934
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:52,239
great depression

1935
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,239
um you know that that i think are um

1936
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,320
you know brought about through financial

1937
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,080
techniques uh you know that are

1938
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,600
deliberate so

1939
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:05,280
um i i would i would say that

1940
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:08,800
there isn't um you know

1941
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,159
total perfection in democracy and total

1942
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,920
evil and propaganda

1943
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:16,159
but i would just vote for democracy

1944
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:17,199
because i

1945
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,320
i would think that uh

1946
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,640
it ultimately will reflect the interests

1947
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:24,400
of more people than if you just let the

1948
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:25,520
oligarchs

1949
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:28,960
um run things and i would also say that

1950
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,760
um you know the problem with permitting

1951
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,320
the oligarchs to run thing is that

1952
01:11:38,189 --> 01:11:36,400
you're risking something that democracy

1953
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:38,199
would not permit which is

1954
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,440
genocide i think genocide is one of our

1955
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,560
major problems that's as a species

1956
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,400
and particularly today i would say it's

1957
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,159
something we should be considering

1958
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,199
uh as you know

1959
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,199
something we should be tempting to avoid

1960
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,960
and so um

1961
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,040
i i would just point out that that you

1962
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,840
know open democracy disclosure

1963
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:02,480
will is more likely to resist genocide

1964
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:03,760
than

1965
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,280
a few um brilliant people

1966
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:10,080
at the hot tub of uh jeffrey epstein's

1967
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,960
island

1968
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,199
um sitting around planning you know what

1969
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,520
the future could be for mankind i mean i

1970
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:18,000
i i just given given the uh both the

1971
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,520
results and uh

1972
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,120
the natures of the process i i would

1973
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,480
vote for democracy every single time

1974
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:27,840
nice nice nice nice yeah

1975
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:33,270
okay i mean i have to push that a little

1976
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,320
bit further

1977
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,480
because i'm all over that on one hand on

1978
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,000
the other hand

1979
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,440
there's an idealism there that doesn't

1980
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:43,920
totally square with history

1981
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,000
you know if you look at

1982
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,560
you know i'll just i'll just i'll i'll

1983
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:51,840
just leave it at that

1984
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,040
i mean in a way you are

1985
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,360
such a spiritual guy you have this kind

1986
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,600
of spiritual idealism because

1987
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,040
anyone who would look at history would

1988
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:03,199
say nice joe but

1989
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,750
yeah oh well i i would

1990
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:13,679
i would agree with them um this

1991
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:16,960
unfortunately it's a completely

1992
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:20,400
muddled process um and both

1993
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,159
both extremes uh total democracy and uh

1994
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,199
and total dictatorship will um have good

1995
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:28,960
moments and bad moments

1996
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,360
um the the way to really

1997
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,360
increase the quality of democracy

1998
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,800
because obviously

1999
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:38,960
democracy has this problem in it that it

2000
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:40,960
makes stupid decisions

2001
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:44,000
is to have um individuals inside

2002
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,760
democracy that are

2003
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,360
basically more skeptical have more

2004
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:48,880
analytic power

2005
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,159
um and and this this is why as you know

2006
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:54,640
i'm such a big you know fan of your show

2007
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,600
um because i think it helps promote that

2008
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,560
i mean that's really

2009
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,800
where righteousness is in my opinion

2010
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,960
it's if you want democracy to be more

2011
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,159
powerful

2012
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,080
you need to have more skeptical and more

2013
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:07,920
analytically powerful humans

2014
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,840
and so the uh the recovery process from

2015
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,000
christianity

2016
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:16,000
and even from things like existentialism

2017
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,840
from atheism

2018
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,880
recovering from those

2019
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,760
what i would regard as oligarchic

2020
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:25,679
structures for the purpose of

2021
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,040
mind control is a long hard one

2022
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,360
you know and and we need lots and lots

2023
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:33,120
of people like yourself trying to

2024
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,800
to uh um move people to a more objective

2025
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:39,360
more more realistic more sensory based

2026
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,960
more analytic based

2027
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,080
perspective um it is a

2028
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,120
hard task because you know the

2029
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,520
if you look at the media how powerful it

2030
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,679
is and and who owns it and how easy it

2031
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:53,360
is to manipulate people

2032
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,199
but there is hope because

2033
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,679
the independent media for there is no

2034
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,640
hope

2035
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,320
that's what i want to kind of throw out

2036
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,480
there and

2037
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,239
i want to i want to kind of pursue this

2038
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:08,400
a little bit further with you

2039
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,360
no the there there is no hope and that

2040
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,920
is really what the spirituality is about

2041
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,840
you know i mean it's the it's the other

2042
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,679
aspect of the christian bible

2043
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:19,040
you know that we never talked about this

2044
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,239
back because i didn't want to kind of

2045
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:21,199
cloud the

2046
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:24,960
the discussion but the the real

2047
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:28,239
conflict within christianity

2048
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,199
is whether is people want to understand

2049
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:36,320
how they can reconcile their spiritual

2050
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,120
truth

2051
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:39,920
that they feel is connected to the bible

2052
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:40,560
with

2053
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:44,000
the absurdity of the bible and i just

2054
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,760
you know played a clip i had an

2055
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:48,000
interview a couple times ago with this

2056
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,400
guy

2057
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:51,120
he's produced this really great science

2058
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,600
film

2059
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,239
that kind of supports this idea that you

2060
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,679
know conscious that the idea that

2061
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,520
consciousness is not fundamental just

2062
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,520
isn't supported by the science

2063
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,600
but then what he tries to do is sneak in

2064
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,040
catholicism you know

2065
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,520
it's like yeah and you know the guy who

2066
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:07,199
discovered it he was a catholic and he

2067
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,400
turned catholic down

2068
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,159
so i really kind of called him on that

2069
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:12,320
and i called him on that by

2070
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,040
pointing out you know oxford religious

2071
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:16,960
scholar

2072
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:19,520
richard smoley who and i played a quote

2073
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,239
you know where

2074
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:23,280
smallie says it's ridiculous you know no

2075
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,080
thinking person could accept it it could

2076
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,600
accept the adam and eve story

2077
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,760
that god got so mad because this guy ate

2078
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,199
a piece of fruit that you know he

2079
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,600
conde he goes it is a preposterous kind

2080
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:39,270
but see that is completely on a

2081
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:39,920
different

2082
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,880
track than where you are with caesar's

2083
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,000
messiah right

2084
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,880
it's back to people struggling with this

2085
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,239
other question

2086
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:51,360
which is how can i reconcile

2087
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:55,360
these spiritual truths one of which is

2088
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:58,960
this material world isn't all there

2089
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,080
is so i can let go at least a little

2090
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,400
bit of it i don't have to be totally

2091
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:06,080
consumed with

2092
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,120
you know whether we're going to well

2093
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,120
we're going to wind up with a

2094
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,239
social credit chinese style communist

2095
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:13,920
state or whether we're going to wind up

2096
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:14,840
with a

2097
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,600
fascist uh whatever that means you know

2098
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:22,560
controlled kind of state i can let go of

2099
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,679
that a little bit

2100
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,159
because in this larger extended

2101
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:28,000
consciousness realm

2102
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,000
that all has a different place than

2103
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:35,280
it does in purely a materialistic way

2104
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,560
so i have spiritual people on one hand

2105
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,880
struggling with that struggling with

2106
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,960
this truth that they know and feel

2107
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,280
but can't reconcile with the cult that

2108
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,040
they've been

2109
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,280
found themselves in and then on the

2110
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,880
other hand i have you know where you're

2111
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:52,560
coming from which is to say

2112
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,760
hey the only way out of the psyop is to

2113
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:56,960
just be

2114
01:18:01,110 --> 01:18:00,400
super you know truthful and honest and

2115
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:01,120
all that and

2116
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,520
i mean for me like you're in business i

2117
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,679
was in business

2118
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,400
nothing gonna happen man i mean money's

2119
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:10,719
gonna drive this stuff it ain't gonna be

2120
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,360
the alt media you think any you think

2121
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,040
any of those guys are the least

2122
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,159
bit worried about the alt media

2123
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,320
look at the game they've played already

2124
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,679
with this thing like we're talking about

2125
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,280
the beating off air

2126
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,679
i mean if they can be this successful

2127
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,679
with this and they haven't even played

2128
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:28,400
you know

2129
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,679
half their cards i mean i i just don't

2130
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:33,360
see where they they would really have

2131
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:36,159
any worry about their ability to

2132
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,760
manipulate the system

2133
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,520
do you kind of get a sense for where i'm

2134
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:41,040
going with all that it's like unless you

2135
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:42,800
get bigger unless you get outside of the

2136
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,679
game

2137
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,400
completely there's no reason to be

2138
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,159
hopeful

2139
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,520
oh it that's well said but it's

2140
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,640
it's such a complicated uh you know kind

2141
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,080
of position it's

2142
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,440
um i i'm not sure actually that

2143
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,199
there is this kind of uh mutual

2144
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:03,520
exclusivity i think that

2145
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,640
leaving a cult uh can be

2146
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,440
a path to you know much more intense

2147
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:10,880
spirituality

2148
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,000
um i agree so so

2149
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:16,000
it's it's it has to do with the nature

2150
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,760
of the cult the nature of the influence

2151
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:19,440
of the cult on a person's

2152
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,199
consciousness and how he perceives

2153
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,280
himself

2154
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,199
as far as the oligarchs not being

2155
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:27,120
worried i i would disagree with that i

2156
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,679
think that

2157
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,320
actually um one of the reasons that

2158
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,640
we're having so much oligarchic activity

2159
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,080
at the moment is because the independent

2160
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:36,560
media was actually starting to cut

2161
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,719
um it's if you look at like for example

2162
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:42,400
uh like the vaccine

2163
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,600
statistics very interesting um i i was

2164
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,760
sent some data showing that over 60

2165
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,920
of the people now will refuse a

2166
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:51,760
mandatory vaccine

2167
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,840
um if this is true this is really a

2168
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,000
revolution i mean that's really the

2169
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,719
like an aspect of the influence of the

2170
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,080
independent media

2171
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,199
um and then just if you go back in our

2172
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:04,880
history

2173
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:08,239
where did the common person have access

2174
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:09,520
to information before

2175
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:12,480
i mean really there isn't ever been a

2176
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,520
moment

2177
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:16,560
i mean history in my opinion is

2178
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,159
is all propaganda so when you have the

2179
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,840
existence of the independent media when

2180
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:24,000
it came into existence with gary webb

2181
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:27,679
really and uh uh his uh you know his his

2182
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:31,440
in investigations into uh the cia's

2183
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,560
um selling of crack cocaine and he

2184
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:36,480
decided that he would use this new

2185
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,520
internet tool to post his data because

2186
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:41,440
he couldn't get you know the

2187
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:44,080
newspaper he's working with to do it

2188
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:44,960
well

2189
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,920
suddenly there was this tool that people

2190
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,320
could use to exchange information now

2191
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:53,520
it's obvious it can be manipulated but

2192
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,159
nevertheless there is a chance and i

2193
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,840
think this is the very first time we've

2194
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,480
ever had

2195
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,880
in our entire history the word history

2196
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:02,480
here is

2197
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:06,080
well used um where we can exchange

2198
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,360
information

2199
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:10,159
and to date we've been completely under

2200
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:10,800
under uh

2201
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,199
intellectual control and so um as far as

2202
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,679
what power it can eventually produce i

2203
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,520
have no idea

2204
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:21,360
i i don't know how much time it's going

2205
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,800
to have to

2206
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:25,520
to have influence but while it does

2207
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:27,520
exist we can use it i mean just for an

2208
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:29,679
example your show

2209
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,960
50 years ago wouldn't have been

2210
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,800
physically let alone

2211
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,560
culturally possible for you to have such

2212
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,080
a platform

2213
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:39,280
so it is it is interesting

2214
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:42,880
there is hope um and uh

2215
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,159
i i think that uh just

2216
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:48,800
people should be governed by their

2217
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,600
spirit

2218
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:52,560
they should look at what process and

2219
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:53,040
what

2220
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,199
gives them

2221
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:00,719
um basically a more intense uh

2222
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,400
more vivid spirit and uh

2223
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,800
and so you know when people when they

2224
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,320
when they take the case that

2225
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,880
um they've been blackpilled that they

2226
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:12,080
know the truth

2227
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,440
they know the oligarchs they know

2228
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:15,360
propaganda and it's just left them

2229
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:16,320
impotent

2230
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:20,159
and i always respond by saying look

2231
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,679
you have that feeling because you're not

2232
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,000
fighting if you would if you would

2233
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,280
have access to your normal energy that

2234
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,679
any sentient being any being that comes

2235
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,920
through the process of evolution

2236
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:34,159
to whatever you know you believe in that

2237
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,120
um

2238
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,960
you're going to fight back then you'll

2239
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,520
feel better you you want to find those

2240
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,880
things that that

2241
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,040
in life you know and activities that

2242
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,880
will that will fill you with energy and

2243
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:46,159
the euro you know you're on the right

2244
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:47,600
path when when you

2245
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,080
leaving the cult behind and moving into

2246
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:52,080
a world of more intense energy

2247
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:55,600
so i i'm actually optimistic i

2248
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,360
i wouldn't be a bit surprised if um

2249
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:02,320
there will be revelations um that will

2250
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,679
be more

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01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,639
more powerful because of uh the uh

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01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,960
current oligarchic maneuvers you know to

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01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,520
increase

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01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,639
the uh the technologic observation

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01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:15,040
and slave state conditions i think

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01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,080
people will be more

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01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:19,040
ready you know for the the fruits of the

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01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:19,679
uh

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01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,120
of the independent media and um

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01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,840
they will um uh have more clear mind i

2261
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,600
want to apologize for my voice act like

2262
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,120
i was saying i've had a

2263
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:31,360
a throat problem for about two weeks now

2264
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:32,159
and it's

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01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,000
it left me like a frog i'm sorry for

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01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,920
that

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01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:38,080
no it was awesome and uh you know what

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01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:39,040
where else

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01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,840
would we expect to find a message of

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01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:43,040
hope than from

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01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,159
the guy wrote caesar's messiah

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01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,199
taking away all faith all

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01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,600
hope and it's really the only hope we

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01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,760
have that was really quite

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01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,080
it's beautifully poetic you leave the

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01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,760
cult and your enter into real hope

2277
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,280
and then from there you're entered into

2278
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,199
real behavior real activity

2279
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:06,239
you'll be more powerful this is this is

2280
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,440
what

2281
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:10,080
i think the actual goal of skeptico is

2282
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,440
is you're going to produce

2283
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,760
more powerful individuals who will

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01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,560
produce a higher quality of democracy

2285
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:18,639
and i told this to you years ago i said

2286
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,760
that's why i really

2287
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,360
love your show and i support it so much

2288
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:23,760
is because to me it's just self-evident

2289
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:24,560
that

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01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,080
you you listen systematically

2291
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,080
you know to the to the kind of the stuff

2292
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,760
that you bring out

2293
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,560
you will become a better uh kind of more

2294
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,320
powerful individual within democracy

2295
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:38,800
be more skeptical but you'll also be

2296
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:41,199
more active and so that's that's what i

2297
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:44,000
i you know would like to to say that i

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01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:44,719
support and

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01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,239
and what what i hope my work brings

2300
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,400
about as well

2301
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:51,120
joe you keep referencing this new book

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01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,800
where are you at in that what's going on

2303
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:53,920
with that

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01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,199
well um i was about ready to release it

2305
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,120
before the covid thing and then that

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01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:01,679
produced the final chapter so

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01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,000
um hopefully if i can get it out um

2308
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,760
within a month i'll be happy and i'll be

2309
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,920
sending a copy to skeptical but i

2310
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:12,400
i really did want to include my thoughts

2311
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:13,840
on covid because in fact

2312
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:17,040
this was uh i had sort of predicted that

2313
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:18,480
this was going to come about

2314
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,000
at uh one of the drafts that that i

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01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,880
um uh had worked on i mean i as i've

2316
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:26,639
mentioned to you kind of the

2317
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:30,159
uh the basic um structure of the book is

2318
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,280
an analysis of brave new world by huxley

2319
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:36,560
and um the dystopian

2320
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,679
you know like world that that it

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01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:40,960
envisions

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01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,560
um is i think what is the uh end result

2323
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:46,400
of the you know the whole covet process

2324
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,120
so

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01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,760
that that's a complicated pro you know

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01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,760
story to go into but uh yeah that that's

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01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:53,520
kind of where the book is now it

2328
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:56,639
you know it's um it

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01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,080
it just tries to summarize and to make

2330
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,880
a conclusion to the other two books to

2331
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,400
caesar's messiah and shakespeare's

2332
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,639
secret messiah so that

2333
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,719
you know my take on literature and on

2334
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:11,120
and on the oligarchic use of literature

2335
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:11,840
and history

2336
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,280
um you know is um

2337
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:17,120
uh something that the public has aware

2338
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,800
of is aware of and uh

2339
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,560
hopefully that'll be useful in dealing

2340
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,080
things you know that

2341
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:26,000
that we are given by by the media you

2342
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:26,480
know as

2343
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:30,400
as a terrifying and uh uh you know

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01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,159
and and things that we would give up our

2345
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,480
freedom and give up our constitution

2346
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:38,480
uh because of you know that's that's

2347
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,760
what i'm hoping to

2348
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,080
to bring and make people aware of at the

2349
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,159
end of with this book

2350
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,719
any thoughts of reviving the podcast i

2351
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,320
used to really enjoy

2352
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,400
what you occasionally put out there in

2353
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,080
terms of more

2354
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:55,679
up-to-date analysis of what's going on

2355
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,560
well um if anyone wants to listen to

2356
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:00,639
powers and principalities it's a weekly

2357
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,840
podcast i do with tim kelly and it's

2358
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,199
basically it covers just anything we're

2359
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:06,960
interested in talking about

2360
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:09,360
you know i i i have to apologize so this

2361
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,239
is this is great i was able to find it

2362
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:14,800
through a google search episode 160.

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01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:15,600
here we go

2364
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,560
uh the legend of anthony fauci oh this

2365
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,880
is great i can't wait

2366
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,920
this is great okay i will have a link

2367
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:25,760
i will correct this what i see is a

2368
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,159
minor little glitch here by

2369
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,360
putting a link but like you aren't even

2370
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,199
no one would even know that this is you

2371
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:35,520
powers and principalities episode 160

2372
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,880
send to friends yeah you know it's funny

2373
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,760
because um

2374
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:42,080
what we find is that this avoids

2375
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:43,120
censorship

2376
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:46,080
when you put your name on and they have

2377
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:47,199
it flagged

2378
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,320
nothing i mean particularly youtube

2379
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,960
because you youtube is really um you

2380
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,239
know they want to prevent

2381
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:57,440
discussion and analysis um and of course

2382
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,159
we'll we'll

2383
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,239
discuss everything and so therefore uh

2384
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,679
you know they just try to

2385
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,679
make it hard to get at and that's that's

2386
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,040
this is how we get around it

2387
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,199
most of the people who listen just do so

2388
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:09,280
by subscription to tim's channel i think

2389
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:10,000
there's like 20

2390
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,840
000 people and it just goes out as an

2391
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:13,760
email to them but then for the general

2392
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,560
public

2393
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,960
um they can find us through uh you know

2394
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:17,760
that method

2395
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,159
and then linking out to podomatic and

2396
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,320
get getting it that way

2397
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,199
awesome hey joe thank you so much for

2398
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:27,199
the time today is there anything else we

2399
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,520
should

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01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,880
i hope we can do it again let's do it

2401
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:30,800
sooner i'd love to talk and there's so

2402
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,600
many things

2403
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:33,360
hopefully i'll have my voice back in a

2404
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,719
week

2405
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,199
well once you get the book out we should

2406
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:39,360
just do

2407
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,199
well that'll be there'll be controversy

2408
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:42,719
when that comes out so uh

2409
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,840
be a good time thanks again to joseph

2410
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,400
atwell for joining me today on skeptico

2411
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,800
the one question i'd have to tee up from

2412
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:51,840
this interview

2413
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,440
is joe's question is the real tell

2414
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:58,000
in the scientism biological robot

2415
01:29:03,110 --> 01:28:59,520
meaningless universe

2416
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:03,120
meme what it does to us from a political

2417
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,480
perspective

2418
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,960
joe's point is that if you believe that

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01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,840
consciousness

2420
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,400
is an illusion and that your existence

2421
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,239
is absurd and meaningless

2422
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,199
then how would you ever form a coherent

2423
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:18,000
political perspective

2424
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,000
i think that's quite a unique and

2425
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:22,719
original insight from joe and i'd

2426
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,080
love to hear what you think about it

2427
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,159
so of course the best place to do that

2428
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:30,239
for me is for you to come over to the

2429
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,120
skeptico

2430
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:34,480
forum and pop in there and make your

2431
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,440
voice heard

2432
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,320
so that i can find out what's on your

2433
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:40,000
mind and i can grow from

2434
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,229
if that's not your thing well that's not

2435
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,239
your thing i hope you continue to listen

2436
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,679
i think i have some really good shows

2437
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:50,800
coming up

2438
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:53,600
and i'm rounding out my interview series

2439
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:56,239
on this book rival matters so

2440
01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:59,440
there will be a light at the end of this

2441
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,320
evil tunnel but i don't know i can't

2442
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,040
really promise how far out that might be

2443
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,760
stick around anyway we'll have fun we'll

2444
01:30:13,090 --> 01:30:09,120
do something

2445
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:13,100
until next time take care and bye for